Flagler Hill - Love and Relationships
March 19th 2010 02:20 AM
What''s love got to do with the GOVERNMENT
by true2me
Category Marriage
Posted February 2, 2010, 1:06 pm

I am a real romantic at heart. I watch romantic comedies (don’t tell nobody), read books with romantic happy endings. I really believe that two people can love each other enough to want to spend their lives together. Hell, I even wish that one day it would happen to me.

A marriage is defined LEGALLY (in short) as this: Marriage is a legally sanctioned contract between a man and a woman. Entering into a marriage contract changes the legal status of both parties, giving husband and wife new rights and obligations. Public policy is strongly in favor of marriage based on the belief that it preserves the family unit. Traditionally, marriage has been viewed as vital to the preservation of morals and civilization. (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/marriage)

I posted the definition because I want you guys to understand that I know WHY the society (aka the government and religion) wants us to be married. I understand that they believe that marriage between man and wife with some kids is beneficial to our society. The problem is, it isn’t fair to those who aren’t Christian, or straight, or believe in having one spouse.

Previously, marriage was used for some to combine countries and families for financial and power gain. Now, we have been led to believe that the only way to be successful in life is to fall in love, get married and have the government make you sign a contract that says that you will be with only one person for the rest of your life. For the greater good of us all? I think not. How can it be when you leave out the homosexual community, the polygamist community and so forth and so on. On top of promoting marriage by making us feel that we aren’t successful without one, they decide to throw tax breaks and benefits on as the icing on the cake. And we all fell for it! You even have some atheists getting married. Most don’t even REALIZE that they are being tricked into believing in government’s idealized "everyone is married society" aka CHRISTIAN WAY OF LIFE!

What most of you don’t understand is how unjust the legal definition of marriage is. Why is it only between man and woman? Of course the idea is based on Religion. As we all know, this country’s foundation was religious based, specifically, Christian. It’s no surprise that what constitutes as legal marriage is exactly that described in the Bible. This country is fast moving towards tolerance of all cultures, religions etc. Yet, it still ENFORCES this remedial religious idea of what marriage is supposed to be, and we have all been bamboozled.

We have discovered you can have functional children from non – traditional homes. We now realize that not everyone is Christian and straight and don’t necessarily want to be.. We understand now that women are intelligent enough to vote and that minorities aren’t unintelligent. We understand now that there are other religions and each and everyone of us should have the right to believe what we want to believe and practice what we want without being forced to be exposed to one specific dominant religion, except when it comes to marriage. HUH?

With that said, even though most of you are still uniformed and traditional in your thoughts regarding marriage, it doesn’t negate the fact that it is unfair to impose religious undertones into a legal contract, and that’s just what marriage is when the government is involved, A LEGAL CONTRACT.

As a matter of fact, the Government shouldn’t be involved in the institution of Marriage at all.

If you want to get married for religious reasons, GO RIGHT AHEAD. Allow your church to create a contract for your in regards to that, but NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

If you choose to want to live with someone and share household expenses and be legally bound by a contract to split them when you part , THAT’S when the government should be involved. LOVE and RELIGION should have NO BEARING on that. And, therefore, shouldn’t be limited to a man and woman. If two (or more) consenting and sound mind adults want to enter into an agreement to share a household together and want to receive benefits for such THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO, regardless of sex and religion.

Want to be religious? Fine. For those of us who aren’t religious, I find that we are still being FORCED into adopting a Christian way of life by agreeing and allowing the government to dictate who can and cannot get married BASED on a religious system.

Don’t get me wrong, I have no real problem with religion. In fact, I respect it and know how beneficial it has been for society, my problem is forcing it upon everyone. And that’s EXACTLY what the government’s involvement in "marriage" does.

Given this information, I often wonder if people would be more or less inclined to get married. Particularly those who aren’t religious and especially those fighting to have their marriages honored by the government.

I definitely believe that if the government separated church and state when it comes to marriage, we would all get along just a LITTLE better, if not, then learn to tolerate each other’s differences.

and yes, I have been married before, now divorced

 
On February 3, 2010, 8:27 am loveless says:
This is interesting. Like yourself I have been married and now divorced. What I really think is they should have a marriage Renewal license. Why is it that marriage license is the only license you dont have to renew? and if we could renew them how many would? The line would be crazy long. Some say that marriage is ordained by God but @ the divorce rate being at an all time high shouldnt he step in now. Im going to have to disagree on two people living together. If they want to live together fine but when children get involved they should have some kind of document saying ITS OFFICIAL. I dont think single people raising children is a good idea. Its a vicious cycle, we can see this already. Children are having children because this is what they see at home. Im just saying anytime children get involved in anything lets show them how it should be done the right way so they can lead by our example. Religious or not.
 
On February 3, 2010, 8:27 am loveless says:
This is interesting. Like yourself I have been married and now divorced. What I really think is they should have a marriage Renewal license. Why is it that marriage license is the only license you dont have to renew? and if we could renew them how many would? The line would be crazy long. Some say that marriage is ordained by God but @ the divorce rate being at an all time high shouldnt he step in now. Im going to have to disagree on two people living together. If they want to live together fine but when children get involved they should have some kind of document saying ITS OFFICIAL. I dont think single people raising children is a good idea. Its a vicious cycle, we can see this already. Children are having children because this is what they see at home. Im just saying anytime children get involved in anything lets show them how it should be done the right way so they can lead by our example. Religious or not.
 
On February 3, 2010, 10:29 am true2me says:
Hey Loveless, thanks for the comment. I agree that a family unit is better for the child. Preferably a man and a woman, however, again, times are changing and you can have a fully functional person from alternate family situations. Regarding making a family unit official with the government, again, that isn't necessary. A birth certificate or adoption papers is sufficient for claiming responsiblity for a child. If the parents of said child want to be married because of religion, their religion should handle the documents and ceremony in my opinion. As far as renewing a marriage license, if your marriage is religious based, you shouldnt be breaking up in the first place. With the government being involved with marriage, its has high religious undertones to it..I dont agree with that.
 
On February 3, 2010, 10:29 am true2me says:
Hey Loveless, thanks for the comment. I agree that a family unit is better for the child. Preferably a man and a woman, however, again, times are changing and you can have a fully functional person from alternate family situations. Regarding making a family unit official with the government, again, that isn't necessary. A birth certificate or adoption papers is sufficient for claiming responsiblity for a child. If the parents of said child want to be married because of religion, their religion should handle the documents and ceremony in my opinion. As far as renewing a marriage license, if your marriage is religious based, you shouldnt be breaking up in the first place. With the government being involved with marriage, its has high religious undertones to it..I dont agree with that.
 
On February 3, 2010, 10:29 am true2me says:
Hey Loveless, thanks for the comment. I agree that a family unit is better for the child. Preferably a man and a woman, however, again, times are changing and you can have a fully functional person from alternate family situations. Regarding making a family unit official with the government, again, that isn't necessary. A birth certificate or adoption papers is sufficient for claiming responsiblity for a child. If the parents of said child want to be married because of religion, their religion should handle the documents and ceremony in my opinion. As far as renewing a marriage license, if your marriage is religious based, you shouldnt be breaking up in the first place. With the government being involved with marriage, its has high religious undertones to it..I dont agree with that.
 
On February 3, 2010, 10:44 am MassAppeal says:
@True2Me

In your opinion do you think this view would benefit same sex marriages more so than traditional marriages?
 
On February 3, 2010, 10:31 pm Dashon says:
@True2:  Very interesting perspective on marriage.  My thing is this...marriage is not for everyone and that's okay, but for those that find happiness, or a sense of security in that arrangement...that's okay too. 

I don't agree that's its being FORCED on anyone...every adult has the ability to make a choice as to whether they WANT to enter into a legal union with someone. 

Anything that comes with a choice...cannot really be labled as being forced.  If a person does it soley because of the "peer pressure" they feel because of marriage's position in our society...then that's more about their ability (or inability as the case may be) to be true to their own convictions and beliefs. 

In those situations, they didn't do it because someone had a gun to their head...they did because they were not in control of their head...and that Sis is still their choice.
 
On February 4, 2010, 3:01 pm true2me says:
@ massappeal

I think my view would benefit EVERYONE who has a different set of beliefs. Of course those who wish to have a same sex or even polygamous marriage would benefit from it, but it won't have a negative on traditional marriages AT ALL!!

@Dashon I think I was misunderstood. I wasn't implying people are being forced into MARRIAGE. I was stating I believe that we are being forced to accept a agreement to be legally united based on traditional, religious, specifically xtian beliefs. Its not fair for us, in order to have a legal union, to have to adopt to the religious based belief in marriage ONLY between man and woman.
 
On February 6, 2010, 9:50 pm lelaine says:
Didn't the government invent the idea of a legal contract called marriage?  I think all people have the right to have the relaionships they choose.  However I am not naive enough to believe the government will step aside.  A little history, right? The concept of separation of church and state has never really existed, at least not here in America.  America was founded on the premise of religious freedom, but those ideas were then codified into our government, and thus, there is no separation.  I am commited to people being able to freely choose to be who they choose to be as long as they do not oppress or abuse others.  People are very similar all over the world, but we have yet to appreciate that in mass numbers, so I do not believe we will necessarily come to appreciate the differences without the foundation of similarity.  If I throw my religious beliefs and values into this debate, it will only equate to what is right for me...
 
On February 11, 2010, 2:46 pm true2me says:
@lelaine YES YOU GET THIS POST!! Thanks so much for reading
 
On February 11, 2010, 7:08 pm Dashon says:
@True:  Thanks for the clarification, I see your point. 

Just as FYI, there are other unions that are recoginized as legal in various states -- (Common-law; same-sex, and marriages of convenience, unions between immigrants and US citizens) that are not based on religious principals.

"If you want to get married for religious reasons, GO RIGHT AHEAD. Allow your church to create a contract for your in regards to that, but NOT THE GOVERNMENT." 


Ironically, a couple of non-traditional marriages are founded on religion -- at least their interpretation of spiritual principles... 

Arranged marriages for one, while primarily cultural -- the justification of this practice is based their spiritual beliefs & value system; and  groups such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe they need to follow the early practice of polygamy as used by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. They think they need to have at least three wives in order to be accepted into heaven.

Even SOME gays assert their right to marriage using biblical principals (God loves us all); I guess there's no easy way to avoid the seperation of church and state as it pertains to a "legal union"....regardless of the type of union you choose.  Just my 2.5

 
On February 12, 2010, 6:03 pm true2me says:
Interesting points and information regarding marrage of other forms lol @Dashon, Ideally tho, I would love to see our society accept legal unions of just one type :-)
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