Flagler Hill - Love and Relationships
March 11th 2010 01:53 PM
If he likes it, he'll put a ring on it...but he doesn't need any help from you!
by realtalk
Category Dating
Posted February 6, 2010, 1:53 pm

What’s up RTORs!!  Man, I read one of the most horrible articles on relationship advice that I’ve read in a looooooooonnnnnggggg time.  I was on Essence.com, and one of the main articles was entitled Marry Me Now, Or Else.  This is basically a guide on how to give your guy the ultimatum.  What’s most sad about this article is that hundreds, if not thousands of Black women hang on to Essence’s every word when it comes to relationships, but undoubtedly, this article will leave you busted and disgusted if you enact any of it, because the bottom line is: when your man is ready to propose, he’ll do it, and if he’s not, he won’t.  If you pressure him into doing it, you might as well start saving your money for the counseling that will ensue because you will undoubtedly have issues in the relationship stemming from the ultimatum starting with infidelity.

Let’s examine some of these coals of wisdom that Essence is instructing you to enact:

1) Figure out how long you’re willing to wait for him to pop the question…and stick to the program

When you read the article, you’ll find that not only do they suggest setting a deadline in your mind, but informing him of what the deadline is!  WRONG!  The truth of the matter is that men want to be men, and no man likes to be pressured into anything.  Most men deal with deadlines in every aspect of their lives, and a relationship with you ought to be a stress reliever instead of a stress inducer.  This grand announcement of the ultimatum is the ultimate gauntlet drop, and will likely mark the beginning of the end.

2) Be sure you’re willing to pack your bags in the event that he doesn’t propose

This might be some sound advice, except for the small nuance that this suggests: you’re already living together.  I could go on and on about statistics that show that cohabitating is more likely to end in divorce when (or if) the couple marries.  Furthermore, the collateral damage that results from a relationship ending involving cohabitation vs. one where you don’t live together is much worse.  First, on top of the stress involved in the ending of any relationship, one or both of you have to find someplace else to live.  There’s divvying up anything you’ve acquired together, figuring out how the situation with the children will work (if you have children)—basically, you’re getting a divorce with none of the legal benefit in most states.  On the other hand, if you’re not living together, you might pack a box of pictures and momentos, delete him from your phone, update your Facebook status, and keep is mashin’.

3) Call his mom or sisters to chat; bake his dad some brownies…

O…..K….. This bit of advice first assumes that his family thinks you’re a good match for him (which could or could not be true).  The truth is that married couples don’t often call their in-laws just to chat it up.  If this were 20 years from now, and some chick was dating my son and trying to randomly chat me up, I’d wonder what she was up to.  This strategy, while designed to get the family in your corner, could backfire in a major way, and make you come off looking like a conniving hussy rather than a woman who truly cares about her man’s family.

4) Get advice from your girls

This coal of wisdom suggests that you talk to your girls about how they’ve squeezed their men into marriage.  Again, this makes the assumption that your girlfriend’s “successful” attempt at giving the ultimatum has resulted in a happy marriage.  And misery loves company, so of course, she’ll tell you to do the same thing so you can join her in misery and she’ll have someone she can vent and complain to about how uncommitted her husband is acting.  Well, if you force someone to act under duress, what would you expect?  I once had a “friend” suggest that I give my then boyfriend the ultimatum.  I looked at her like she was high on crack.  Why would I want to do that?  I believe that you’re just begging your man to resent and cheat on you when you do that.  As women, we don’t like being forced into anything — what makes you think your man wants to be forced into forever (forever ever – forever ever?) with you?

For more, on these coals of wisdom courtesy of Essence Magazine, check me out at: www.realtalkonrelationships.com.

 
On February 6, 2010, 3:46 pm Dashon says:
Real:   I saw the teaser for the article, but chose not to read it for the reasons that you stated:  You can't FORCE anyone to marry you, and [to your point] if he does give in because "she wants it" or "its the right thing to do"; he will resent the marriage and you...and at the end of the day its really not worth it.
 
On February 6, 2010, 6:41 pm Wood says:
That is too funny.  Just imagine if it really was that easy, there wouldn't have been a need for such an article to start with.  I feel that the reasons why men will not marry many of the women they are involved with are not that complicated or elaborate at all, but the sista-hood are insisting to just ram their self indulging romantic program down the brotha-hood's throat... and it hasn't been working out.  As a man, it is hard for me to truely believe that many sistas are miffed at why men feel the way they feel.

For the most part, the brotha-hood determines pretty early whether or not his woman is a keep or a non keeper (GF only), and like I stated a thousand times; good times and happy moments will not make a difference.  What make anyone think an ultimatum will shift the tides in a man's mind.  Heck, I've been given several, and by the time she reaches her magical two or three year time limit, it was time to go anyway.

For the most part, one of the first thing in many brotha's mind after the relationship is over, is whether or not he can still hit it on occasions. 
 
On February 6, 2010, 9:39 pm lelaine says:
I am amazed that anyone ever thinks an ultimatum achieves a happy ending.  All it does is speed up the end.  Wood is right, if your man really wants to marry you, he will marry you.  I even wonder how people spend years engaged to one person and then they never make it down the aisle.  A man who is really into you will scoop you up and not let you go.  And there are some men and women do not believe in marriage and commitment.  Did we ever mention the love word...versus control.  Sometimes loving someone and yourself means you let them go and move on.  Check out www.williamjuly.com.  I heard him a on radio show today asking men and women to give their relationships a reality check.  Is your life the same old drama ~ ultimatums and manipulation to get what you want sound like childish antics used to get our way.
 
On February 7, 2010, 4:25 pm loveless says:
I dont know if I agree or disagree. I definately would never give a man an ultimatum but My co-worker wife gave him one and they have been married for over 18 years. He feel like women just let men linger around too long without giving them an ultimatum. I said why, because either a man want to marry you or he doesn't. He said some women are willing to wait forever. He may be right. Again I don't ever want to get married again and I will never live with a man who wasnt my husband. My sister on the other hand lived with a man for over 20 years, we thought they were married until he died 3 years ago and she said she always wanted to, but he never asked.
 
On February 8, 2010, 1:21 am loveless says:
spellcheck definitely***
 
On February 8, 2010, 1:11 pm Wood says:
Dang Loveless, your sista was left holding the bag. 

The good thing with how things are evolving, is that you have many of these sistas out here who are not wanting to marry and are content with being in a BF/GF relationship, so those issues are not as bad as they use to.
I feel that if getting a ring is something that is bothering the sista-hood, they need to start early by working on that right out the box, and not trying to pull the wool over the brotha-hood's eyes when it is time to think about getting serious and setting down.

As it seems to be the case, the brotha-hood are having a ball, and are enjoying they way things are going... to a certain extent.
 
On February 8, 2010, 4:46 pm MassAppeal says:
It appears as if women have this universal timetable on when two people should be on a certain level or even marriage. For example..after 6 months to a year = a full relationship and 2 years = a proposal or marriage. No doubt some men bulllshit and will never commit but others need to see more consistency from the relationship or the time to work out certain differences before taking that step forward. Marriage is a life long decision not a 2 or 3 year deal so why do women feel as if it shoud be all or nothing if a proposal isn't made after a particular time frame? Sometimes I feel women are more caught up with the idea of marriage rather than making sure two people are together for the right reasons.
 
On February 9, 2010, 9:17 am Wood says:
I agree with you Mass with that I've long believed that many women like the idea of being married and I feel are fascinated with the part that benefits them, and arfe not willing to deal with the other side of the marriage coin.

I don't think many are prepared to deal with the fact that many men who may be  in the marriage market have logical plans and goals that can easily bump heads with the sista-hood's emotional impulses and desires.  Most sistas will talk about how a man has to be responsible, etc, but as the head of the household, that responsible man may want to curtail the household credit cards, spontaneous and expensive shoes and purse spending, vehicle loan amount and years financed, saving guide lines, and other long-terms goal based on prudent logic that may bump heads with a sista's emotional ideals.

I wish my girl would tell me she like to shop...sheeeit, I'll find some shit she can spend her money on.  All that shoes, purses, and other shit she has, and you still like to shop... ok.  I'll told her, I can find plenty of shit that will eat up her financial cushion that make much more sense than blowing money at the damn mall.

Next time, pay for your oil change, breaks, car need washing, maintenance, etc... you pay for every little thing, and I can save my time.  She can buy her own set of tools for $500 bucks... beat the hell out of a purse.  Let her get the room, gas, tickets, etc.  Pay somebody to shovel all this damn snow out of her driveway... breaking my damn back.
I can save my time and scratched knuckles and let her pay for every little things... I'll find some shit she can spend her money on instead of at the damn mall collecting a thousand pointed damn shoes and expensive ugly ass purses the size of carry-on luggage.

These sistas think marriage equal more money to buy a more expensive car, more shoes and purses and get more high limit platinum credit cards.
 
On February 17, 2010, 10:53 pm crucial63 says:
I thought a forced marriage involved a shot gun?

I personally wont be forced into things I consider positive and good let alone a marriage.
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