| by Dashon on October 1, 2009, 12:21 am in General
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His name was Julian. He was a loner who worked at a restaurant in the area of Nassau known as Fish Fry. Me and my homegirl met him while having lunch and our first “I’m on vacation” cocktail. He drove an old beat up car that had no air conditioning, no music, required some tinkering under the hood before starting, and he carried an extra battery in the trunk -- just in case.
He became our unofficial tour guide for a night out on the town. He gave us a ride back to our hotel after taking us to a spot that was part horse stables & part liquor store before going back to finish his shift at work. We were chuckling about the setup of the “liquor depot” but were pleasantly surprised that we were able to get a pint of premium vodka for $4.50.
That evening he picked us up around midnight, and away we went. He needed to change clothes, so our first stop was the place he called home. A stucco building that resembled a small apartment complex. His home was a room that was smaller than some walk in closets, and a communal bathroom that was shared with the other residents of the building. I immediately noticed that although the room boasted only a bed, and an entertainment center complete with a stereo & and an older model television, (ya know a brother is going to have his toys) it was very neat & clean. Two plastic paint tubs that were turned over served as our seats.
He cleaned up, and we hit our first spot, a little neighborhood bar where several games of pool and dominoes were being played, and a DJ that had no clue was spinning music that would have made my grandma say "What the hell?!?"
We chilled there for a while before moving on to the next spot, an upscale club that was known for throwing hot parties. Please believe that it lived up to its reputation! Folks were dancing to those Caribbean beats, and moving in a way that would make a video dancer blush. Men were dancing by themselves, and there were women freaking one another on the dance floor. We watched “the show” for a while and then decided to get a bite to eat. We hit a local restaurant and munched on conch fritters, before calling it a night.
As Julian was taking us back to our hotel, I got to thinking….here’s this guy whose lifestyle suggests that he is one of the working poor, yet he gave so willingly of himself and his time. We offered gas money and drinks –both of which he declined. Throughout the night he looked after us and treated us like queens; opening doors, pulling out chairs, and taking periodic "reality checks" to make sure we were comfortable in those environments. He never asked for anything, or inferred any expectations of recieving something in return.
I got to thinking about the men I know that have more resources and and are financially better off than Julian, and the contrasts in (some of) their behavior. Many of them are selfish -- stingy with their time & benevolence, yet want a woman to give freely of herself & resources nevertheless.
So often a woman’s description of a good man includes him being a man of financial means. Julian confirmed for me that you don’t have to be Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or Will Smith to show a woman a good time, or for her to be happy spending time with you.
You just have to be…well…a man.
FH FAM: I don’t have any questions, but I am interested in hearing your comments on my observation about Character vs. Means.
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On October 12, 2009, 10:07 am TMurray says:
I think it's interesting how you can go to another country and the men there swoon and treat you like a queen. Some American men will say that their intentions are to see what they can get from you (money, sex, etc.) but it is clear in this case that he just wanted you to have a good time. That was my experience in Italy with the Italian men my friend and I encountered. They were more than willing to be gentlemen...even down to an elderly man on the subway who eloquently told us in his native language to "watch out for pick pockets." LOL (We had a translator).
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On October 12, 2009, 7:21 pm Dashon says:
Girly: I'm with you...Character definitely carries more weight than Means. The way I see if, a person has strong character than the means become much less of an issue.
TMurray: Perhaps us being from the U.S. had something to do with Julian's willingness to give of himself so freely, however I got the impression that it was just his nature. He was so open & free and there was none of that qualifying that we (M/F) often do before extending ourselves on someone else's behalf. I guess I related to it because I have a very generous nature, but at times at have felt like a fool for extending myself to someone-- only to have my (figurative) hat handed to me. But like I said in my post to your blog...I won't allow who they are...to change who I am. |
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On October 14, 2009, 9:34 am IntroSpectiv says:
@ Dashon
You can get that here in America...I'm one of those types od guys....but I find that most women aren't receptive to those kind of men. I've learned that most women won't even give me a chance to show my character if I don't appear to have the means (or the looks) they shallowly want. |
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On October 14, 2009, 12:29 pm aurora1990 says:
Character wins every time...
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On October 14, 2009, 12:44 pm CHEMIK00L says:
I would say that a man of his character would not be accepted by the majotiry of women here in this country! Thus is the reason that women claim that chivalry is dead...you all killed it! How can you expect to have what you killed?
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On October 15, 2009, 10:13 am Dashon says:
Intro & Chem: You can find women in America that appreciate Character over Means....it breaks down to their character as well. I think its about a person's priorities, and what they value. Some value a person who can add materially to their lives, while others are more concerned with having a mate who will add emotional support and intellectual stimulation. It's an individual thing
Chem: We can't say ALL of anybody (M or F) fall into a particular category as a statement of fact. As to chivalry, women didn't kill it. SOME men have made a choice to NOT be chivalrous. Whether that decision was made because they feel its not appreciated by the women to whom they've extended it, or its just not in their character....it is clearly a CHOICE. And as with all choices...we and only we...are accountable for our choices. Aurora: High 5 to that! |
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On October 15, 2009, 10:25 am CHEMIK00L says:
@Dashon...me saying all is not a hasty generalization but rather a factual claim. I am not going to be naive on this and say some...but you can say all men and all women for that matter. As far as in America...Heck no!! Especialy a Black woman...yeah give me the heat I know it is coming and I will say that Black women have done this to themselves. DO NOT expect the world when you are doing nothing to et what you want. If men were reverd for their intelligence and not their looks then there wold be tons of men excelling in the fields of gaining education...but there isn't. Let's be real folks and stop living in this fantasy world...it is becoming comical to me.There is a selling of pipe dreams and passing out the ideal when it does not exist. You were even amazed at this gentleman humble surroundings to the point that you wrote a blog about it. You must have sen something that is an anomaly to write about it. SO either you have not gotten that treatment in the USA, or you saw something that you have never seen before.
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On October 15, 2009, 10:46 am IntroSpectiv says:
@ Dashon
I largely agree with Chem's post. Everyone's got (or had) Jay-Z, Biggie Smalls, Tupac, and Michael Jordan posters on their walls....not Tom the doctor, Dick the accountant, or Harry the lawyer. lol |
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On October 15, 2009, 10:47 am Dashon says:
Chem: Wow...Bruh you got some heavy bags you're toting. Perhaps in YOUR world, things like chivalry and Sistahs who not only appreciate but applaud & support the positive behaviors and accomplishments of our men is a fantasy, (and that's unfortunate)...but let's be clear --that's YOUR reality...its definitely not mine and EVERYONE else's.
I understand that its hard to conceive what you've not lived...but the fact that you have not....does not negate its existence. You say: "You were even amazed at this gentleman humble surroundings to the point that you wrote a blog about it." I was touched because this guy was so happy with his life and comfortable with who he was as a man, compared to some guys who have more "Means" than he may ever have in his life...who are bitter, angry, gnerally unhappy, and blaming others for their pardigm, rather than taking accountability for the role they've played in the circumstances of their life. The disparity of that resonated with me. "You must have sen something that is an anomaly to write about it. SO either you have not gotten that treatment in the USA, or you saw something that you have never seen before." No to both of those comments....I write about things that I experience or thoughts that are on my mind...period. The reason that I know chivalry (from US men), and African American women of substance are not a "fantasy"....are because I've experienced and lived them both. I actually feel for you Chem...by your own definition -- you're the "total package", and still happiness and a broader view of the world alludes you. |
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On October 15, 2009, 10:58 am Dashon says:
Intro: They have those posters because those folks are celebrities in a societal sense. Trust that "Tom the doctor, Dick the accountant, or Harry the lawyer" are celebrities in somebody's life.
I'm a strong believer that what we feed our minds with manifests itself in our lives. I also believe in Karma...what we put out (e.g., negative/positive energy, thoughts & actions ) is what we will recieve. Just my 2.5. I'm by no means naive (you know growing up in the "D" doesn't allow me to be that--lol), and I realize that everything in life is not peaches & creams, nor are all relationships/interactions with the opposite sex positive. However if one were to take to heart the outlook that you Chem subscribe to...they would accept a life devoid of love and happiness as their just due. Personally, I totally reject that notion...and having experienced both sides of the love coin....I can remain open to recieving what I feel is EVERYONE's birthright...the love and support of a (good) man or woman. |
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On October 15, 2009, 11:05 am CHEMIK00L says:
@Dashon...Happiness does not allude me...cupidity and the thought of ideals being the norm alludes me. As I stated I refuse to be naive and fleeced by the world and those who live in it. I am the total package and if no one apreciates it or recognizes it...I do. I would rather you not feel for me at all or even give me the proclavity of sympathy because I do not need that from you. It is quite alarming that I am writing and responding with the lack of emothin and yet you take an emotional turn for it to even suspect that I am hurt, or angry because I am not frugal and candy coating my words to you or anyone. I am not happy at this point and it has NOTHING to do with relationships at all, but even i the midst of not having a relationship I have made the decision not to have one and stated my reasons for it.
I do see an issue from you and other ladies on this site that a man that does not mince his words are noted as angry, bitter, unhappy...but a man that does sugar coat and attempts to stroke egos as the antithesis of the aformentioned. I will say that I have had the best and the worse of things and I appreciate it all. I am a quite humble man..but mostly ladies think that humblness, chivalry, and a cool and calm nature is equvalent to being weak...let's be real for a moment on this site... Many ladies would not know a MAN if it walked in front of him. In your blag you are amazed at what REAL MEN have done in this country for years and have been happy with their simple and not extravagant lives...but it took you going to another country and being treated as well as you were to recognize that? Chilvary and the thought of you to even relate it to "MY" world the same one you are living in as not being dead is pure conjecture! I am not toting any bags please believe me..and if there are any bags around you may want to take a look at the ones you are holding. |
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On October 15, 2009, 11:21 am Dashon says:
"In your blag you are amazed at what REAL MEN have done in this country for years and have been happy with their simple and not extravagant lives...but it took you going to another country and being treated as well as you were to recognize that?"
Nope again...LOL! Let's agree to disagree on this Chem...you see the glass one...I see it another...and we each are entitled to that. |
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On October 15, 2009, 11:21 am Dashon says:
one way*
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On October 15, 2009, 11:22 am HoneyDip says:
Hey Yall
I wrote a blog once on here called "Chivalry is Dead - Ain't It?" And we debated why this behavior from some men is missing here...I guess "here" was America cause I wasn't talking bout no other country at the time...LOL But I think the point of Dashon's blog is being missed yall. She was pointing out some things that struck her. She is talking about an experience. I don't think she said she NEVER saw those same behaviors here in the US of A...but perhaps she ain't seen them in a while. I don't think she was in awe of the man's humble abode...but speaking and giving context to her experience...so note to some of the fellas - don't read in between the lines on this one. I think she is expressing an observation and to do that you provide some details honey! @Chemi - You say you are not holding bags, but we all hold bags. We all have our problems/issues and yes, they come in bags. Yours may be a golf bag but you have a bag. You flat out said you are unhappy and it isn't cause of relationships...well whatever it is...it's in a bag...and perhaps yours isn't see through but I am sure there is a hole in it and someone closer to you and likely not on this site...knows what issues seep out of that hole and into your life - how you act, respond, etc..... I don't know you like that...but there is always someone who does... One other point you made was that men on the site who are quote un quote..LOL...honest are seen as angry, bitter, mean. Shoot...women who have spoken their mind have been seen as angry and bitter for YEARS. Welcome to our world. We appreciate the honesty...but you have to know that when you are honest people are going to interpret your words and come to their own conclusions. Perception is the observers reality...and yes I know that doesn't always make it right...but I do think it can be in the ballpark. |
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On October 15, 2009, 11:22 am Dashon says:
BTW Chem....God bless you! :-)
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On October 15, 2009, 11:26 am Dashon says:
Honey: Thanks for the clarification...couldn't have said it better myself! The blog truly represents a moment in time...not a history or view of the world dissertation...LOL!
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On October 15, 2009, 11:26 am Dashon says:
Honey: Thanks for the clarification...couldn't have said it better myself! The blog truly represents a moment in time...not a history or view of the world dissertation...LOL!
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On October 15, 2009, 11:28 am CHEMIK00L says:
Yes I am unhappy because of the loss of my mother in and the way it happend...from a surgeon's mistake That is what I am unhappy about. Other than that I am cool!
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On October 15, 2009, 11:30 am HoneyDip says:
Chemi - Thanks for cupidity! I must say that is a new word to add to the vocab for Ms Dip! I might just have to use that one come February...LOL...love it...
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On October 15, 2009, 11:35 am HoneyDip says:
Chemi - wow....my condolences. I wasn't trying to get you to share in such an open forum honey. That has to be painful...and it has to cross into your day to day on many levels. God bless you. I also don't want to guess at any religious affiliation, but I know that in my belief system you will be made whole again from that painful experience...and you know what? You will eventually find a woman who can be a complement to ever characteristic you are. I believe we all can do that (find a compliment)...When I wrote that Chivalry blog..it was tongue in cheek cause though I know I could fill up a book with unchilvalrous (I don't fee like looking up how to spell that) acts.....I know there are men who are just like the man Ms Dashon met on that island...here where I am...
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On October 15, 2009, 11:41 am aurora1990 says:
Just wow! Turn my back for a minute and all hell breaks loose here on FH! I was just waaaaay too busy yesterday to respond to some of the tomfoolery being spewed by 2 men in particular on this site. I'll pick & choose what I respond to since I am quite the busy one.
CHEM: ALL women did not kill chivalry. Again, enough with the generalizations already. As you have not met ALL women, certainly not ALL Black women (as we have never met), you are not qualified to make that statement. Whatever your personal issues are with Black women, I hope you resolve them soon, since you're the total package and all, and I'd hate for your Queen to pass you by because you were so busy carrying baggage around... INTRO: Not EVERYONE looked to Athletes & Rappers & Entertainers in general for their inspiration or role models. I am a bit older than you and perhaps it's a generational thing, but where I come from, education and accomplishment are lauded as opposed to the 1 in 1 millionth chance that little Johnny or Jackie will be a STAR. If I followed your logic then I may well be living on the streets of somewhere trying to make it instead of toting the 3 degrees I possess (4th in the works) and doing me. What's weak is a man who can't pick a position and stay there - don't "dream" you're hard on one post and then whine & moan about what you're not getting on another. It's exhausting, really! @DaShon & the other ladies: I stand by my original post: Character wins everytime! To those who have yet to meet "that" woman - she exists. But if you come at her talking the same ish you do on here, total package in your own eyes or not, you'll get NO PLAY! Good day, FH peeps! |
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On October 15, 2009, 11:51 am CHEMIK00L says:
I have said this before on a blog..but I do not want a relationship period and that I am meant to be alone and I am cool with that. It is not baggage ( just another non-sensical claim of coonery) nor is it a matter of finding the "right" one. I don't care if the woman is Black or not...hell in my view they are all the same, I just refuse to be bogged down with the games and dumb manure LASSIES!!!!! Bring! Thus I love myself enogh to say be alone and be happy. Marrying a woma is NOT an obligation a man has to abide by. That judgement is wrong~! i do also thanks you for the condolences about my mother.
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On October 15, 2009, 11:56 am HoneyDip says:
Nothing wrong with wanting to be alone honey..I didn't know that is how you felt...I have been away from the hill...shoot..gotta work sometime up in this economy! LOL No one should judge you for that. I know women who want to be alone or who don't want kids and people look at em sideways..just as unfair a judgement...as I see many folks on the hill say from time to time. "Do you"...and from my perception in this short time...I think your response would be "Done!" :)
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On October 15, 2009, 12:09 pm MassAppeal says:
Well damn..Mass tried to sit back and observe this healthy debate but uh...Nah, I have to add a few comments.
I totally disagree with the fellas on this as much as I try to stick by me guys. This one I can't (not that it mattters). From a man with some education, looks and personality...women do appreciate character very much so. I feel it's my duty to show women chivalry and character because I have a family full of women and I want every man they associate with to do the same to them....even my little 7 yr neice (my baby girl). I digress... They say you attract what you are so I'm blessed to come across real black women daily who appreciate ( and they very much exist) a man with character. As men we need to learn how to express these actions without expecting anything in return. Some men not only do it on the terms of doing the right thing and treating "people", not just women, how we want to be treated. Sounds so basic but its true. |
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On October 15, 2009, 1:22 pm Dashon says:
"women do appreciate character very much so" -- Absolutely!
"They say you attract what you are so" -- So true.... @Mass: Kudos to you for seeing chivalry as a duty, and understanding that what you put into the universe...so shall you reap. I've often wondered how guys that treat women with disrespect or have a hate/love relationship with them, would feel if their mothers, sisters, etc. were treated that way by the men they dealt with. I've always told my son...treat women the way you would want someone to treat me. Not to say he won't have his share of "my bad's" with regard to the women he deals with, but my prayer is that they will be few & far between. |
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On October 15, 2009, 6:41 pm IntroSpectiv says:
@ Dashon
I don't necessarily have a love/hate relationship with women....but when it comes to reaping what one sows....I've been doing the gentleman thing for as long as I can remember, now, and frankly, I sometimes wonder where the benefits come in. I'm a gentleman because it's the right thing to do, but it seems like that (along with a whole host of other 'qualities' I thought I had) are actually working against me finding a quality woman. What gives? Hell....character is what I thought was my biggest strength. I've been working so hard on my inner self since I wasn't blessed in the looks department....lol @ Aurora It's not a generational thing....In an ideal world, everyone would strive to be doctors, lawyers, and teachers, but let's think realistically for a moment....The jocks and the miscreants ALWAYS got more play than the intellectuals and the ones that actually were trying to make something productive of themselves. The thugs always get more play than the dude that actually has a real 9-5. I can say that as I am the intellectual with a 9-5. Hell, even here in the Army, that still rings true. And there are fewer women to choose from, so that makes things all that much worse. I'm not saying all this to say that I want to be like other guys that are having more success, but I'm just trying to help you see what I see since I spend so much time on the sideline that observing is something at which I've become proficient. All I can do is continue to be myself....but apparently, 'myself' isn't good enough for the majority of women. I don't like saying that, but after all that I've been through (or haven't, depends on how you want to look at that), what else could the conclusion be? |
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On October 15, 2009, 7:06 pm IntroSpectiv says:
@ Aurora
<<<What's weak is a man who can't pick a position and stay there - don't "dream" you're hard on one post and then whine & moan about what you're not getting on another. It's exhausting, really!>>> Was that a reference to something I posted? |
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On October 16, 2009, 9:16 am LLCoolB says:
Why cant women just be real. Yeah after you seeing someone character is going to seal the deal. If hes an ass he's gonna lose out. Even the paid brotha needs some substance, but women are not LOOKING for character when theyre out for a man. That charming broke bro is not even gonna get a chance to show you his character. He's gonna have to front just to get a date with you.
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On October 16, 2009, 3:58 pm aurora1990 says:
@Intro- no, it was not. And btw, I do agree with some of what you said, but you can't say most women when you operate in a social circle limited by your particular geography at any given time. While it is true that there are some women who are more guided by looks, bling, etc (I personally have never understood the thug/bad boy thing - yuck! b/c he would never/could never operate in "my" world, but to each his/her own), that is not true across the board. And while I may be in the minority of never having gone after the jock, the thug or bad boy, women could just as well make the same generalization and say that most men want to date the video ho who has all looks, is bodied up but doesn't have a cotton swab's worth of knowledge rolling around in her weaved up head! but i don't really believe that it is "all" men or even "most" men - just some. And even that gets old when you can't rely on that person to have your back when times get tough, there's no empathy going on in that relationship, and they truly bring nothing to the table. But again, to each his own. the real question is will you continue to be true to yourself (whatever/whoever you are) or let society's perception at that time dictate you?
Everyone - have a great weekend; got a rough one here at work so that's why I've been MIA. Sorry for the novella, Intro, hope I answered your question though. Two fingers. |
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On October 20, 2009, 1:16 pm TREE says:
@ Dashon
When we do BE THE MAN. We get used as a welcome mat. Walked over and used like a rental car. So now ME(US)MEN have to protect our heart and soul from being WALKED over. I always teach my boys to respect a lady, but don't be walked over. Chivalry is good but ladies take it for granted. |
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On October 20, 2009, 1:23 pm Dashon says:
@Tree: Welcome to the Hill! I understand what you're saying, and in some situations...that is the case...but definitely not in all.
It's similar to a woman that feels "all men are dogs", and then proceeds to treat ALL men accordingly. Some good men end up with the short stick because of the mindset & actions of a few. The same thing applies with chivalry. A man that feels as you do, and who applies that thinking & subsequent behaviors to ALL women, will end up dogging a good woman for the sins of a few....ya feel me? |
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On October 20, 2009, 10:53 pm IntroSpectiv says:
@ Aurora
I'm always true to myself. But there are times where I wonder if 'myself' is the malfunction in the whole affair. |
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On October 21, 2009, 10:24 am Dashon says:
"women are not LOOKING for character when theyre out for a man."
@LL: Whether you can concieve it or not...there are women who look for character. Obviously, the initial attraction is physical, but trust that a lot of us know that physical attraction and material possessions are not enough to build or maintain a healthy relationship...and for those of us who realize that....We are looking for character. @Intro: Lil Brother, you have to stop seeing the "glass as half-empty." Whether you realize it or not, that kind of thinking gives off an energy that is akin to insect repellent. You cannot draw what it is you want (a woman) with that kind of energy. Not sure what it will take for you to flip the switch....but perhaps that's where you should concentrate your efforts. I think if you're successful in doing that...the rest will follow. Just my 2.5. |
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On October 21, 2009, 10:37 am IntroSpectiv says:
@ Dashon
I have trouble with my ability to see the positive in most situations. Without trying to make excuses for that, I guess that is what happens when one is subjected to a lifetime of not having success and never experiencing what it's like to actually have positive things happen to you. |
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On October 21, 2009, 11:03 am LLCoolB says:
I hear u Dashon, but most women are holdin out for looks, money, AND character. Sounds like you're sayn one wins out over the other. Theres a lot of ugly, broke guys, full of character, who cant buy a woman.
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On October 21, 2009, 11:15 am Dashon says:
@Intro: From where I'm sitting you've had quite a few positive things "happen" to you. You have a family that loves you, you got the hell up outta the "D" (smile), you are in the military where you have the opportunity to futher your education and learn skills that will be transferable to a good job once you leave the service, you've seen parts of the world that others can only dream about, and (as far as I know) you're healthy, intelligent and although your pics are a lil vauge--from what I can tell--a decent looking guy.
I would say, that not having experienced a good relationship yet is not indicative of your entire life's story. Blessings in route lil bruh....blessings in route. @LL: Most? Seriously? I can't contradict it because I'm not a man out here trying to get with women, but I will say that I personally only know a few (women) that would fall into that category, and in their case their attitude is generally [set that way] because men have geeked them up about the value of their beauty, and they feel they are entitled to it all. Just my 2.5. |
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On October 21, 2009, 11:26 am LLCoolB says:
@Dashon - May be true, but the reality Im seeing out there on the street is different than Im hearing on the hill. Listen to women here and the good looking shallow bros dont stand a chance. They seem to do pretty good w the ladies from what I see.
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On October 21, 2009, 11:38 am CHEMIK00L says:
@Wome. I will say this and this will probably shut most of you up...Patience and greed do not live together very well!!! Come off the crap ladies seriously! Many of you try to present a very respectful and wonderful representative, then the realness of the psychobabble comes out! If a man says he is tired of some crap he is considered bitter and negative...but he is being realistic and practical. if an man is one thing he is slated as another! You all want it all in a man but have no damn patience for it! Shut it up, shut it up! It is the men that recognize this that you all run away from quickly!
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On October 21, 2009, 11:39 am Dashon says:
@LL: Looks can be decieving, and quantity does not always equal quality...ya feel me? Those dudes may not have a problem attracting women because of the physical & material things they possess, but how many solid women do they keep?
Just about anybody can maintain the interest of a "Clucker" (lol @ Darknite), or have a stable of "average" chicks. It takes something more than the surface stuff for a man to boast a roster of 10's (and I don't mean that as it relates to just physcial qualities). |
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On October 21, 2009, 11:39 am Dashon says:
@LL: Looks can be decieving, and quantity does not always equal quality...ya feel me? Those dudes may not have a problem attracting women because of the physical & material things they possess, but how many solid women do they keep?
Just about anybody can maintain the interest of a "Clucker" (lol @ Darknite), or have a stable of "average" chicks. It takes something more than the surface stuff for a man to boast a roster of 10's (and I don't mean that as it relates to just physcial qualities). |
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On October 21, 2009, 11:43 am Dashon says:
Whew weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! Where dem meds at? LMAOOOOOOO!!!!
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On October 21, 2009, 11:46 am LLCoolB says:
@Dashon - Truth, its hard to maintain a stable of 10s, lord knows Ive tried.. lmao. Real talk though, an average dude can't even get in the door. Many women will look rite past that dude and not give him a minute to make his case.
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On October 21, 2009, 12:05 pm Dashon says:
@LL: Seriously? That's unfortunate. I guess I'm confused because I see a significant number of [what I would consider] average guys who are married, or have relationships with women that are not Cluckers (another dolla for Dark), but I guess it just goes to show....things are not always what they appear.
On the surface, it appears that there are more average or above average women who lack relationships than average dudes...but again, its just perception based on a view from the outside. |
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On October 21, 2009, 12:18 pm IntroSpectiv says:
@ Dashon
I guess I wasn't really seeing the things you mentioned as being 'good' because they haven't really gotten me anywhere so far. For example...having a family that loves you is one thing, but having a family that neither taught you the game nor can understand why you're struggling at it so badly is another. So far, joining the military hasn't really panned out to be THAT great of a decision. I still feel like I kind of gave up on myself and on my REAL goals with that move. And even if it does work out in terms of professional success....that's going to mean nothing due to the lack of personal success I'm having thus far, which the military doesn't seem to be able to help out with. As far as my looks go....I won't comment much on that, except to say that the only women who ever seem to think I'm decent looking are considerably older than me, considerably out of my range, or family members. |
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On October 21, 2009, 12:41 pm Dashon says:
Well Intro...I don't what else to say to ya Lil Brother....but I do know that we attract what we put out....negative energy begets more of the same...just something to think about.
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On October 21, 2009, 1:57 pm CHEMIK00L says:
@Dashon...I truly hope that the following:
Whew weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! Where dem meds at? LMAOOOOOOO!!!! comment that you made was not in response to the comment I made. If so, your response was quite ridiculous and proves my point with out and utterance of doubt towards women! |
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On October 21, 2009, 2:46 pm MassAppeal says:
@The Fellas
Mass needs to play devils advocate on this one. First I think some men need to take blame on how some of these women who have this "entitlement to everything" attitude. See some men have messed the game up for real. There are men out here treating their mistresses better than their wives. Others treat their 3rd stringers just as good as their main ladies just to keep a stable. To cover up their insecurities or lack of character, men are taking these women out on shopping sprees, sponsoring drinks and dinners for them and all their friends. Getting women who may only be a 5 but with a big ass a pass the get their hair and nails done just to get a shot of ass or just to keep them around with less effort. Can we fault the women for taking advantage of these cats? The problem lies is when they start expecting the same treating from every man they meet. Only thing I would say out the majority of women I meet is that they're selfish and would prefer to keep their good loot for themselves. Just my experience. Yall Cheap and barely reciprocate (not all so chill but that's what I see...respect that). |
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On October 21, 2009, 3:02 pm Dashon says:
Chem: My grandmother used to say: "Only a hit dog will yelp".
Mass: LOL @ putting the game on blast. You're right, there's culpibility on both sides as it pertains to game. BTW, glad you pointed out that not all of us are selfish & cheap. :-) |
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On October 21, 2009, 3:07 pm MassAppeal says:
@Dashon
You're right, not all, but let's just say when I do come across a woman that reciprocates it's very rare and far and few between. |
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On October 21, 2009, 3:37 pm CHEMIK00L says:
@Dashon...Bees might eat honey, but they do have stingers on their tails...that crap you are pulling does not work with me.
@Mass...I will say all...I am sorry the law of averages will not appease the ladies on this one! |
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On October 21, 2009, 4:01 pm MassAppeal says:
@Chemi
Can't say all bruh. A real selfless woman is like a diamond in the rough but they do exist. But again, some of the men are the ones to blame for creating these type of attitudes. Just like there are women who may have played some of you men in the past which leads to a particualar outlook. Like Dashon said..some people wind up treating all people a certain way (negatively or overlooked your good character) because of the way they've been treated (dogged) in the past and that's wrong. We all deserve a clean slate until proven unworthy. |
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On October 21, 2009, 4:08 pm CHEMIK00L says:
@Mass...In cliche' thinking one would give the benefit of the doubt, but not me. Especially in the D.C. area. It does not work here. I admittedly don't trust anyone and will not until they prove themselves trust worthy..in essence do their words and deeds match. I dare say that in a past experience with someone who is on this site...I did get burned but not by anything I did..it was their plain and utter stupidity, pretentious attitude, greed, and selfishness that led to the thought I have of this person. I did think that person changed hence why I am on this site...but for real...if this woman was on fire in the street I would not waste my piss to help the fire extinguish. I am not an enabler, simply do what I say I am going to do and follow through. Many ladies can not and will not "put themselves in a corner" to do the same.
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On October 21, 2009, 4:18 pm Dashon says:
Chem: As I've said before Dude....we can agree to disagree...let's act like we're both mature adults and....let it go.
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On October 21, 2009, 4:20 pm aurora1990 says:
AHHH, so we finally have the real reason behind the tirades. Good luck with that, my brother! And whoever she is, I hope she is, I hope she doesn't catch aflame anytime soon and you're the only person in the vicinity cuz that's gon' be one burnt bitch, lol!
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On October 21, 2009, 4:20 pm aurora1990 says:
AHHH, so we finally have the real reason behind the tirades. Good luck with that, my brother! And whoever she is, I hope she is, I hope she doesn't catch aflame anytime soon and you're the only person in the vicinity cuz that's gon' be one burnt bitch, lol!
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On October 21, 2009, 4:28 pm Dashon says:
Aurora: LMAO! Sis you are nuts!
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On October 21, 2009, 5:05 pm Dashon says:
Chem: Whoever got you twisted like this...you should try to dealing directly with her on it...and stop coming at me on my blog trying to sending subliminal messages to whoever this woman is. This is a classic example of trying to dogg somebody else because of someone else's baggage.
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On October 21, 2009, 8:13 pm CHEMIK00L says:
@dashon..Please do not flatter yourself to believe that I am coming to your blog to deliver subliminal messages. What I said to you was about you and inclusive of all women. I am not dogging anyone else(Ihave tokd that person how I felt) and you find it convenient to not deal with the issue head on (wanting to agree to disagree) and try to use the "baggage" term because you want to be evasive about the topic and points brought up from your topic by a man. DO NOT attempt to insult my intelligence in that manner! To use your verbiage... This is a classic example of trying to fleece someone who knows the game very well!
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On October 21, 2009, 8:17 pm CHEMIK00L says:
@dashon..Please do not flatter yourself to believe that I am coming to your blog to deliver subliminal messages. What I said to you was about you and inclusive of all women. I am not dogging anyone else(Ihave tokd that person how I felt) and you find it convenient to not deal with the issue head on (wanting to agree to disagree) and try to use the "baggage" term because you want to be evasive about the topic and points brought up from your topic by a man. DO NOT attempt to insult my intelligence in that manner! To use your verbiage... This is a classic example of trying to fleece someone who knows the game very well!
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On October 21, 2009, 8:46 pm Dashon says:
Chem: If I felt that I was engaged in a dialogue with a MAN, one that had an open mind, who didn't have issues out the azz, and could respect opinions that differed from his own...I wouldn't have a problem continuing this tired azz debate. However since that is not the case there's no reason to keep it going. This will be my LAST RESPONSE to you. If you want to keep it going alone...go for it!
Get some help Chem....your grief and anger has you in a bad place Bruh...you sound like a person on the verge of serious breakdown. God Bless you, and I sincerely mean that. |
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On October 21, 2009, 9:03 pm CHEMIK00L says:
@Dashon...whether you respond or not...read or not... after this post I do not care! I am a MAN, and as far as issues... you have issues as well! So don't try that crap with me because it does not work very well! That emotional cry, and B.S> that you kick is quite old and tired...just like this conversation right?
I respect others opinons, their feelings about a subject, and so on! You are not high and mighty thus do not tell me anything or suggest to me about getting any help period. Whether you are reknown here on this site or not you have no place to tell me if I have grief and anger...I will politely say SHUT UP! You don't know about what I have gone through or in the midst of other than what I have said on this forum...you have no idea what place I am in! With the sarcasm you have shown earlier sincerity is a facade for you! |
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On October 24, 2009, 1:35 pm HoneyDip says:
Can we all just get along...LOL
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On October 24, 2009, 11:55 pm tameka0501 says:
Very interesting post......and a lot of good conversation back and forth.
I have to tell the truth.....yes character does matter, but he has to financially stable also. Now maybe I wouldn't have said that ten years ago, but I'm looking for a little more and I'm not afraid to admit that. Wealthy men aren't the only ones selfish and stingy, there are the ones in the working and middle class who are the same. Now, I haven't had men who are like Julian approach me, maybe it's just they know. It's okay though....to each their own. |
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On October 25, 2009, 10:15 am Dashon says:
@Honey: Ya know? :-)
@Tameka: Welcome to the Hill! I certainly agree that selfish & stingy comes in all financial classes....the point of my blog was really more about sharing an experience that I had, and my observation that THIS man who had very little materially was so open to sharing of himself and what he had. So many folks (M/F) are guarded to the point that sharing of themselves and their time is not something they're willing to do without first "qualifying" a person as worthy of having that kind of consideration bestowed upon them. I myself have been guilty of that...which is why his openess and willingness to share with 2 complete strangers sparked this blog. |
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On October 25, 2009, 12:17 pm tameka0501 says:
Glad you two had a great time. It sounds like the time spent with him has helped you in long run. So have you had more open experiences like this since then?
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On October 27, 2009, 6:50 pm IntroSpectiv says:
@ LLCoolB
"Real talk though, an average dude can't even get in the door. Many women will look rite past that dude and not give him a minute to make his case." Ain't that the truth. I always try and explain to people....You can't show a woman what you're made of on the inside if she's already walking away from what she sees on the outside. |
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On October 27, 2009, 8:38 pm Dashon says:
@Tameka: "So have you had more open experiences like this since then?"
I've not been back to Nassau yet, and I don't think I even know a man here in the states (except for a few family members) that are as poor as this brother was...so doubtful I'll experience that again. Again, the blog was just (my way of) documenting 1 experience I had while on vaction, and my observations about it. "You can't show a woman what you're made of on the inside if she's already walking away from what she sees on the outside." @Intro: Agreed! The same can be said of a man who walks away due to what he sees on the outside only. |

Quite simply...I think he was simply a gentleman...just goes to show they still exist although I will say that I have noticed that alot too when in the islands. :)
A man with a wonderful character, a gentleman, a sense of integrity is truly more valuable to me than their means...